Submitted by Thomas B. on Thu, 11/3/2011 at 3:56pm

Maybe we should have size limits here.  what you all think?  We have basically two different types of shields, the punch shield and the strap shield.  Now I know I can boast about being the man with the largest shield in game so this may sound a bit wierd coming from me, but it seems that it promotes man hugging and reach arounds more then it actually protects.  Perhaps a reasonable size limit should be placed on both, with strap shields being bigger and punch smaller.  What you all say?

While I get what you are saying about the wrap arounds and non safe combat vs. a shield wearer, I don't think that it is a shield users fault.  I believe a bit more clarification to the newb mods and for us shield users to be more mindful to tell people not to wrap may be in order instead.  Man hugging is going to happen regardless I think, as the new system seems to be making peoiple think more about tactics.  rather than crash headlong into a shield wall, players will have to flank them and attack in a concerted effort.  Now mind you that this ruling will also apply to monsters, so maybe the PC's can utilize these tactics as well as benefit from them.  The size isnt the safety issue, its all of us players I think, but if I am alone here I will def not argue with the masses.

All the talk about straps, hugging & reach arounds has killed my focus. I'll have to come back later

For the first time in recorded history, I have no strong opinions about a game ruling. I could go either way. I don't think there's anything particularly unsafe about large shields, and they have obvious disadvantages against spell users unless you're a warrior. Feel free to debate amongst yourselves. It'll be a novel experience for me to listen without favoring a side. :P

Shield sizes are fine, we do need o adress the man dance in the newbie orientation if it's not there already.

I only stated this because I have seen the man dance first hand, since its usually the only way a person gets around my shield in a one on one conflict.  Also Thad if you remember you got your hand cut on my guantlet, which was behind a massive shield at the time.  I was also thinking about that incident as well.  I was merely stating what I have seen on the battlefield.  If you have a big shield, they will man dance you.

Silly question here from a silly female :D  What exactly is the MAN DANCE?  Is this the "reach around" done by players attacking a person with a large shield where they reach around the sides of the shield?

The man dance is more like getting soooo close that you can hit an opponent on the back with 2 small weapons, and making their medium or large weapon useless.

I was going to say that this was a good addition to the prohibited combat styles section of the game guide, but then I realized it was already in there. We advise people to remain at arm's length. Man-dancing, then, has always been against the rules.

I was pretty sure it was already in the rules.  I definitely agree it needs to be addressed.

Punch shields reserved for Target (small) Shields only.
So YES there should be a size scale, and usage restriction on shields.

Another possibility to consider here is multiple shield skills. I think we've established that the safety concerns with a shield are better addressed through instruction than through restriction of shield size. Maybe we could have a lower-level shield skill that allows people to use shields up to a certain size and a higher-level skill that lets them use any size. Sort of like the ability to use a tower shield in D&D 3.5. Any thoughts?

My thought exactly.

I think that's a fantastic idea!

Sounds good, and maybe allow it only to the main shield class, warrior only.  That way you don't see a thuerge or mage walking around carrying a door.

I agree with making tower shields warrior only.  a sorcerer carrying around a big shield makes  no sense to me.  It allows other classes to use a shield while also making sure that the classes thta should be using shields get to have the benefit of using any shield.

It seems the fireside chat wholeheartedly agrees with multiple shield skills and limiting the heaviest shield and armor use to fighters only. That should make them much more appealing and give them a shot in the arm to even things out with casters (THS 7). They even suggested having three levels of shield use, with the lowest level letting you use a buckler, but I'm not sure if I want to take it quite that far (THS 1).

Yeah I think two tiers of shields are fine.  One for shields up to 24" diameter, and the second (only fighters) for anything larger.